Where to find the kingdom of god
What and Where is the Kingdom of God?
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I'm Scott one ale the concept of the
kingdom of God has long been a fixture
of Christianity it's a phrase often used
by Jesus Christ and other apostles
including the Apostle Paul yet as
prevalent as the term is in modern
Christianity there appears to be
confusion about what the kingdom of God
is and where it is or where it will be
the Encyclopedia Britannica states the
following about the kingdom of God the
phrase occurs frequently in the New
Testament primarily used by Jesus Christ
in the first three Gospels it is
generally considered to be the central
theme of Jesus teaching but widely
differing views have been held about
Jesus teaching on the kingdom of God and
its relation to the developed view of
the church why is there so much
disagreement about this Central
Christian tenant some say if you love
Jesus the kingdom of God is within you
some say the kingdom of God is the
church while others say the kingdom of
God is a real place and we'll even be
here on the earth how would you answer
the questions what and where is the
kingdom of God and more importantly how
does the Bible answer these questions
and how will this kingdom differ from
mankind's attempts at peace today's two
returning guests will lead us to clear
biblical answers for these age-old
questions I'd like to welcome back mr.
Dexter Wakefield mr. Wakefield is a
longtime minister and Bible teacher he's
a tomorrow's world writer who has
written many kingdom of God related
articles including God is creating a
family he spoken on this topic
extensively for the last thirty years or
so
mr. Wyatt's ahsoka welcome back it's
good to have you with us as well today
mr. selca is joining us via Skype from
Raleigh North Carolina he's a pastor and
former university theology faculty
member he also holds a Master of Arts
degree in theology theological studies
from Liberty University and he's a
tomorrow's world writer who has written
and spoken on this topic a great deal as
well so it is wonderful to have you both
back on the program today I'm really
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and get started gentlemen I think we
need to define a couple of terms briefly
as we start so mister Sissoko will come
to you first what is a kingdom we talk
about the kingdom of God what is a
kingdom right well hello dr. Scott and
mr. Whitfield glad to be on the program
first I will quickly define it or at
least give a quick summary but first I
would just agree that it's it's an
important vital subject Jesus Christ
told us to seek first the kingdom of God
and His righteousness in Matthew 6:33 so
if that's a Christ's instruction to seek
it then what is it
so I think that one way to quickly
describe what a kingdom is is a kingdom
is something that exists and must
contain four different aspects we know
that a kingdom must have a king or a
ruler
we know that a kingdom must have laws
that is how it functions we know that it
must have a territory you know a king or
a ruler with laws but no territory
that's not really a kingdom and fourthly
it must have subjects it must have
people that are subject to those laws
that live within that Kingdom so those
are the four components and whether you
look at ancient kingdoms on the earth
regardless of the type of governmental
structure right whether it was a
dictatorship or
democracy you'll find those four
components a ruler subjects laws and of
course a territory okay and why is this
important well it's a very big reason
why it's important because Jesus Christ
preached the gospel of the kingdom of
God and some people say well that's the
church or other people say us and have
it or they disagree on what the kingdom
of God is so which gospel do you believe
do you believe the true gospel if the we
have to know what the gospel of the
kingdom of God is we have to answer the
question that I think mr. so silicon
absurd very well let me add real quickly
if I can this was this topic was
expected understood the the Jewish world
was excited about this topic and that's
evidenced by the fact that very very
early in the gospel account of Matthew
when John the Baptist sees Jesus Christ
you can you can read in Matthew chapter
3 in Matthew chapter 4 John the Baptist
mentions the kingdom of heaven and then
and then Jesus Christ mentions the
Kingdom of Heaven to their audience this
was a topic and I know we're going to
get further into the topic but this was
a topic that was literally at the very
beginning of the recorded Ministry of
Jesus Christ even before he was was
baptized even before he started
functioning officially in that ministry
that topic the Kingdom of Heaven or
we're also sometimes referred to as the
kingdom of God it's mentioned 86 times
in the Gospels alone kingdom of God so
it's a it's a topic that we should
become very familiar with you know you
mention 86 times repetition we know the
cliche repetition is the best form of
emphasis and for it to be mentioned 86
times means it must be critically
important to God in to Jesus Christ this
is to jump in on that add a little bit
is that it's the kingdom of heaven not
the kingdom in heaven the
people say the kingdom is in heaven but
this is God's kingdom on earth so the
gospel of the kingdom of God and the
gospel of the kingdom of heaven are both
both very consistent but the problem is
if you watch Sunday morning TV you'll
see as many different versions of the
gospel as you see preachers and it's
very important that we sort out what
that means well I think to do that we
don't want to have a philosophical
discussion today we want to ground our
discussion in the Bible because the
Bible is where it all comes from so what
I'd like to do is I'd like to ask you
mr.
Sissoko you can start off with this what
does the Bible teach us about the
kingdom of God we've talked about what a
kingdom is but what does the Bible have
to say about the kingdom of God and for
to preach the gospel of the kingdom of
God as you're saying right well the
Bible in the Old Testament as well as
the New Testament is very full of
references to the kingdom of God and
you're right let's not get too
philosophical at all and and really we
only can barely scratch the surface on
this topic even from from a scriptural
perspective but revelation of chapter 5
verse 10 is a very should be a very
well-known and it is a very important
scripture which talks about Christ
reigning on the earth that is a time in
the future which is referred to as the
Millennium that's just from the Latin
meaning thousand-year reign now that is
one coming future aspect of the kingdom
of God when the kingdom of God and God's
rule will be brought to the earth and
Christ will rule there's old testament
scriptures that talk about that as well
so anyways we we know that we can become
heirs to that kingdom Christians true
Christian Saints can become heirs Romans
8:17 James 2:5 talk about Christians
inheriting orbit
Aires to that Kingdom so without going
much farther one aspect of the kingdom
to talk about is the fact that that
there is a kingdom of heaven in heaven
now but Christ will bring God's
government in God's reign to the earth
in the future and that's very clear from
a lot of scriptures and I won't continue
much but that time God's law will you
know will will will pervade the entire
earth okay we just appreciate the
comments let me just mention a few of
them of course it says in revelation
5:10 has made us kings and priests to
our God and we shall reign on earth on
earth is refers to the Millennium and
isaiah two three and four it says people
say let's go to let us go up to the
mountain of the Lord to the house of the
God of Jacob that's referring to
Jerusalem out of Zion shall go forth the
law he should judge between many nations
rebuke many people are there numerous
scriptures like this is talking about a
kingdom on earth where the Messiah rules
a kingdom on the earth zechariah 14:8
living waters flow from jerusalem shall
flow from jerusalem it says after the
eastern sea after the western sea that's
not an allegory that's talking about
something happening geographically in
the future all nations will go up to
Jerusalem to keep the Feast of
Tabernacles well is that like a million
spiritual thing or is the many many
scriptures like that it's important for
the listener to know that when we're
talking about the gospel the kingdom of
God we're talking about that Kingdom on
earth from Jerusalem let me if I can let
me add I love we all love the Psalms and
the Psalms are something I've you know
enjoyed studying a lot and a lot of our
audience may be interested to know that
a lot of the Psalms are prophetic and I
just always found it very interesting
that Psalm to our our audience might
want to look at Psalm 2 later but Psalm
2
talks about Jesus Christ coming that
that the holy hill that hid that he as
king will be set on the holy hill of
Zion and and this is not a allegory or
metaphor about it being in our heart or
God's kingdom only in heaven we know God
currently does rule in heaven obviously
but it reads on - it's very clear that
the Lord Jesus Christ my God calls him
my son today I have begotten you in
Psalm chapter two we'll return and the
nations of the earth will become his
possession and the kings of the earth
will rejoice and fear and tremble and he
will rule on the earth so I just want to
reinforce what mr. Wakefield was saying
that that you know the kingdom of God
coming to the earth that that teaching
biblically goes back to you know to the
Old Testament it's it's all throughout
the Old Testament let me just clarify
quickly or ask you to help me clarify so
when we're talking about the kingdom of
God certainly God reigns supreme and
he's on his throne right now but the
gospel of the kingdom of God this
concept is really pushing us forward
Christ wasn't talking about something
right then and there necessarily but he
was telling his church to preach this
gospel of the kingdom of God about this
future coming Kingdom on the earth is
that correct that's correct and it's the
gospel of peace it's the kingdom that's
going to come on the earth we're going
to have wonderful things happen we can
go through some of those scriptures that
we've got here the description of what
it's going to be like on earth and that
is indeed good news gospel means good
news and the fact that Christ is coming
as Messiah to rule on earth with this
Saints I came in that grows and fills
the whole earth like a holy mountain a
holy mountain of God grows to fill the
whole earth the doctor talking about
something that's an abstraction they're
talking about something that is
literally going to happen and that is
good news indeed that is the good news
of the gospel of the kingdom of God yes
so the you know Jesus Christ used
parables
and parables are a great topic to
discuss another time but there's the
parable of the - and to reinforce what
what mr. Wakefield is about Luke chapter
19 yeah
so the parable of - is interesting
because the parable of the - was given
in response by Jesus Christ to the
disciples who were asking if the kingdom
would come immediately
I think it's Luke 19:11 where they asked
if oh I'm not gonna look it up right now
but I think Luke 19:11 they asked if the
kingdom would come you know soon or
immediately and Christ gives this
parable of the nobleman going into a far
country and he'll return after a delay
so so the earliest disciples of Christ
believed and were asking Jesus Christ
who is the Messiah they were asking him
essentially will you establish your
kingdom on this earth a real government
this is not metaphor a real government
are you going to do it you know really
really soon in our lifetime and the
parable the - was actually given to
teach a few things about you know
putting forth effort as a Christian and
so forth but it was also in response to
to that belief that it was imminent and
Christ was helping them understand it's
not imminent it's going to be in the
future so they saw it as real Christ it
it did not correct and I say it's not
real he said no it's real but it's going
to be after a delay I just an
interesting thing to pick up on what you
were following up on what you said I'm
reading from Gibbons of defining called
the Roman Empire a lot of footnotes on
this thoroughly researched this is
Volume one says it's about the church
the ancient and popular doctrine of the
millennium was intimately connected with
a second coming of Christ
and again the Millennium is this
thousand year reign of Christ on the
earth that's correct this thousand year
reign of Christ on the earth which was
understood to be exactly that he said he
would reign upon the earth until the
time appointed for the last in general
resurrect
he goes on and talks about this how
later on it was thought that for wise
purposes this error was permitted to
subsist in the church called as one guy
called it a pious deception of the say
it was allegory and metaphor in other
words in second third fourth centuries
things changed much changed and what the
belief in the first century church had
and it turned into what we called the
modern orthodox church and they have a
different view of the gospel of the
kingdom of god than the first century
church did so the first century church
actually preached something quite
different than what modern Christianity
teaches today about the gospel it was a
physical thing whereas now almost
everything that you read about it has it
as an abstraction I'll just give you
Catholic friends and the Catholics
cyclopædia say the ruling of God in our
hearts principles the badeen sway of
grace the church itself all abstractions
that's how they express it I could go in
to several more here yes that the
concept was of the kingdom of God is not
one of space a territory of politics I
think the Pope called it Christ is not a
political Messiah it's almost a little
contemptuous of the idea that he would
reign as a king on earth but it says one
of rather kingly rules reign and
sovereign control abstractions abstract
you you know this is um this is easy to
prove and easy to with some research to
see these these older writings of course
you know Scripture is god-breathed and
that you know scripture is what we teach
and what we believe so the following are
not scriptures but just to reinforce
what mr. Wakefield is saying that the
earliest church teachers including after
the original apostles believed in a real
physical coming Kingdom I mean named
Clement Clement of Rome died around 97
AD now
this is not Scripture but there's a book
called first Clement and second Clement
and so this would be written in in the
late 90s and here you have Clement who
is considered a you know a church father
who said shortly after the Apostle John
would have died that right I mean this
is this is about as early as you can get
post a post apostle age post John John
you know the Apostle John and he wrote
in first Clement 42 verse 3 that with
glad tidings the kingdom of God should
come he wrote in second Clement 5:5 the
promise of Christ is great and marvelous
even the rest of his kingdom that shall
be and of eternal life and and he taught
it being on this earth just to go on and
get one more reference many of our
listeners may be familiar or have heard
the name of Eusebius it's a it's it's a
spelled eus eb i us
Eusebius wrote the first very
comprehensive history of the church and
i can't remember exactly when he he live
i think it was in the 400s but but he
saved a lot of writings from earlier
people one of the people that he saved
the writings from in you see basis
church history was a gentleman named
Pappy SP Apia s now Pappy as' was a
student and a friend of Polycarp and i
don't give me everybody lot of names but
Eusebius is a historian he recorded the
writings of many people including patias
PAP IAS who was a student and friend of
Polycarp Polycarp was john's disciple
and so this this would be around the 150
AD time and happiest is recorded as
talking in the 150 time of the kingdom
of god being established on the earth
with christ's return that there would be
a time of great tribulation that would
precede that and then Christ would
establish the government of God on the
earth so my point is you've got well
into the 100 130 150 AD
where this is being taught Tertullian
taught the same in the in the
hundreds of pushing the 200s Tertullian
taught a literal coming kingdom of God
on the earth
so in conclusion my point is that today
so many people think the kingdom's in
your heart or it's allegory that is not
what the Apostles taught and that is not
what the church or even the the second
generation of the original Church
regardless of whether or not they were
perfect in every doctrine that's not
what they taught they thought a tie
would be real and they taught that well
into the two hundreds everything that
you're saying about that is spot-on and
when you read these old early church
fathers from back then you don't know
what it sounds like our booklets mm-hmm
you could the same beliefs the same
doctrines we we read these things and we
then open up our of the booklets where
we are showing what we teach about these
what is the kingdom of God
Christ's coming and all of these things
are going to happen the millennial rule
of Christ on earth that grows to fill
the whole earth that's what we teach
perhaps you've got a booklet there that
we can show to people the number of
these things that you can get free if
you want to read about it and the world
ahead what will it be like that goes
into many of these subjects just go to
tomorrowsworld.org and look at the
booklets and a lot of things you can
read about this in great detail dr.
Scott let me this is exciting
so in the booklets mr. wickfield's
mentioning we will mention a few things
that the church teaches that are true
and that are biblical about the kingdom
for example a thousand years a literal
thousand year so remember remember these
points a thousand years we'll mention
that that era that will teach that a
reign of Christ on the earth for a
thousand years will even we'll talk
about the resurrection that the that the
that people will be changed the Saints
will be changed that's another point
we'll talk about a a great white throne
judgment after the thousand years when
all who ever lived will have a chance to
you know to have will have a chance that
God will open their their eyes I just
led actually given his given quote just
a minute ago mentioned
right you call it the general
resurrection by the way Gibbons goes
into a lot more detail than what I read
about I mean it's he almost sounds like
what some of our booklets but he's
critical of it so well he is critical
but so okay so those three points
Tertullian mentions those three points
in a book he wrote around 210 ad called
against marquis on and this is book 3
chapter 25 and I won't read the whole
thing but he mentioned he says this is
in the the 2 20s Tertullian writes of
the heavenly kingdom this is the process
after its thousand years or over which
period is completed the resurrection of
the saints so there you have a thousand
years there you have the resurrection he
says after that there will be a great
conflagration which means a great
burning of all things and the judgment
and there will be a judgment so right
there we don't believe that Tertullian
understood everything perfectly but this
is this is 1,800 years ago right this is
200 years AD this is 150 170 years after
Christ's death you've got really the
truth being taught that the kingdom is
literal a thousand the millennium is a
literal thousand year reign and so forth
well it's interesting wise why is it the
truth being taught well if they're
basing their teachings on the Bible
itself then that's the truth they're
going to come up with I'd like to just
make a comment to our audience we do
really appreciate you joining us today
for this discussion about the kingdom of
God in the gospel of the kingdom of God
we know that some of what we're saying
is not what you're used to hearing about
this topic we but we do challenge you to
take a look at the scripture prove us on
this don't believe what we're saying go
to your Bible prove us on this you're
going to have a couple of questions and
I think we know what some of those
questions are in fact I think we need to
address some of your questions so
gentlemen what I'd like to do mr.
Wickfield let's come to you first John
18:36 talks about Christ actually made
the comment My Kingdom is not of this
world now we're making a case in the
last 10 or 15
minutes for the God's kingdom Christ's
Kingdom coming to the earth what was
Christ talking about his hour weeks
preaching against Jesus Christ when he
said My Kingdom is not of this world
well he answered his own question he
said right my kingdom is not of this oh
this world if my kingdom were of this
world My servants would fight so that I
should not be delivered to the Jews but
now my kingdom is not from here the
answer is now at that particular time it
is not from here where they were
standing with Jerusalem in the future it
will be but he was not saying that he
came to overthrow the Roman Empire and I
don't think Pilate understood that quite
well yeah I mean Jesus Christ also made
a very clear statement in John 14 verse
30 that is Satan this is according to
Jesus Christ himself his own words he
says listen
Satan is currently the ruler the prince
of this world
he did not say the Satan will remain the
Prince of the world forever
the gospel of the coming kingdom of God
is just that it's a gospel of a coming
kingdom of God where Satan will be
displaced and overthrown but yeah people
who say well you know the kingdom is
established on the earth already or the
kingdoms in the church Jesus Christ's
own words contradict that and says
listen you know Satan is currently the
the ruler of this world that's John 14
verse 30
so this master that you're talking about
the parable of - this master is going
away but he will return with his kingdom
at some point well right it says he's
going to he's gonna return and receive
his kingdom in Luke chapter 19 right
okay so he's going to return and in in
in he is a he you know the master is
Jesus Christ and there's no contest
between him and Satan there's no contest
but when he's when Christ at God's time
when he's ready to send Christ Christ
will return and Satan will be displaced
and who's going who's he going to
receive this kingdom from well it's a
great question because it's the kingdom
of God
god reigns supreme so so all power is is
God the father's God is supreme God has
allowed Satan to rule temporarily over
the earth okay just to add to that God
has his throne in heaven
we're told that but he also said that
Christ his throne as the throne of David
which he will come and take he will sit
on the throne of David which is his
throne and that is on earth okay let me
ask you another question because I know
our audience as many of them have this
burning within them as well Luke 17:21
and mr. Wakefield we'll start with you
if you would like the kingdom of God
Christ makes the observation the kingdom
of God is within you
that is one of the prevalent teachings
that we see today was Christ wrong are
we saying that Christ was wrong well I'm
saying that the King James and New King
James translators were wrong about that
if you look at the more modern
translations like the new American
Standard when you say it's in your midst
the kingdom of God is within well it's
within your group they say the kingdom
of God is in your midst Revised Standard
Version and others in the midst of you
he was referring to himself he was
saying that the king was there he's
standing but within your group in your
midst at that time that's what that the
kingdom yes the King was there was what
he was saying do you have anything you
want to add to that mr. selca no I it's
as simple as that it's it's a poor
translation as mr. Wakefield said most
modern translations say that you know a
render it has the kingdom of God sorry
as the kingdom is is a among you or or
in the midst of you referring to him as
that coming King that the one who who
will be the king of that Kingdom he was
referring to himself not the fact that
it's literally inside our bodies not to
the fact it's inside of our bodies
correct okay other scriptures that you
can think of that tell us more about
this kingdom of God on the earth
this gospel that Jesus Christ taught
about because when we think about the
Gospel accounts did I guess I could ask
you this question
did Christ teach about himself in the
Gospel accounts when he was preaching
about the kingdom of God this gospel of
the kingdom of God well of course he is
the king but he will have a kingdom he
will have subjects he will have
territory he will have laws that go out
from it it says here in that's the which
one like a four to four out of Zion
shall go forth the law of the word of
the Lord from Jerusalem so God's law was
going to go out he's going to spread
this throughout the whole world it's not
just about the person of Christ it is
literally a kingdom that's going to fill
the earth unfortunately many people do
not believe that and they turn it into
abstractions
well he's sovereign his love he's in
your heart he's uniting the world one
heart at a time maybe it's up in heaven
it's anything but when the good news
that he announced it was going to be you
said that the kingdom of God is not just
about the person of Christ it's about
this this coming Kingdom so as crew what
relevance does Christ have then is is he
not important in this kingdom or is he
important well the king is important and
of course what is extremely important to
each of us personally is this King came
early he died for our sins so that we
could be resurrected to immortality and
be kings and priests in that Kingdom he
makes it possible for us the fact that
he did that for us so it's something
that we will be eternally grateful for
but it's because of his death and
resurrection that makes it possible for
us to also be resurrected to eternal
life okay mr. just just to touch on what
Christ's function will be as the coming
king of that kingdom Isaiah chapter 11
is that beautiful chapter that talks
about the wolf and the lamb and the
leopard and the young goat
you know dwelling together and the cow
and the bear will graze together and so
forth there's a lot of beautiful imagery
there but some of the nature of animals
being changed right and so that passage
is also very literal and it talks about
Christ who is referred to as a rod there
that he will come back in with strength
that he will judge I'm just paraphrasing
you know but he will judge the nations
with righteousness he'll judge the poor
he'll judge the meek but he'll also
strike the earth with a rod of iron I
mean he's going to come back in power
this is overlooked or ignored or just
very wrongly ignored by by too so many
you know preachers out there who who try
to say well the kingdom is now that is
ludicrous the kingdom is not on the
earth now do we have nature that's at
peace now do we have God's law and peace
around the earth you know now well
clearly we don't so you read Isaiah
chapter 11 and dr. Scott back to your
question what is one of aspect your
question what's Christ function it says
in Isaiah 11 verse 9 that they will no
longer hurt nor destroy in my holy
mountain for all the earth shall befall
full of the knowledge of the eternal as
the waters cover the sea in the kingdom
of God when it's established on the
earth there would be a time of amazing
peace where there will no longer be
conflict and and and and hurt now at the
beginning of the kingdom at the
beginning of the millennium there's you
know not everybody will immediately you
know behave but without getting too deep
and all that the knowledge of the Lord
will cover the earth and people will
learn to live at peace obviously that's
not the case now okay yeah that's a good
point
where who were far from that vision that
Isaiah was showing mr. Wakefield looks
like you're ready to go somewhere I was
actually gonna ask a question then we
started to touch on this where did the
confusion come from why why
does modern Christianity not teach what
we're talking about which are very clear
scriptures in the Word of God
well this problem apparently existed in
the first century church I was just
looking up galatians chapter 1 and verse
6 he says i marvel that you are so soon
removed from him that called you into
the grace of Christ unto another gospel
people were already getting off into all
the versions of the gospel they decided
other things about it
I think people simply don't want to
believe what he said what the Prophet
said they they don't want to believe
that Christ is coming to have a physical
Kingdom on earth they want to say where
things will go on forever as they are
now and Christ is in our heart somewhere
or we'll die and go to heaven somewhere
but they don't want to believe the
gospel they have another gospel that
they believe you know the Apostle Paul
just has a very quick little history
reminder the Apostle Paul was very clear
in 1st Corinthians 15 verse 50 that that
that mortal people flesh and blood
cannot inherit the kingdom of God so so
human beings cannot enter into the the
kingdom of God
1st Corinthians 15:50 Peter says the
same thing in 2nd Peter
1:11 that that he prayed and and he was
talking to Christians Peter was talking
to the Saints this was to the church and
he essentially said you know you've got
to remain faithful in hope that an
entrance will be supplied abundantly for
you into the everlasting kingdom of our
Lord and Savior Jesus Christ so Peter
and Paul and Christ and all the apostles
understood that the kingdom was a future
you know real future coming time again
early church you know leaders like
Justin Martyr and I rainiest and
Tertullian and others continued to teach
the same thing without getting too much
into the history when Constantine
hijacked Christianity and corrupted it
and so forth
you then had some others like now origin
came before Constantine
but you had also st. Augustine who came
after Constantine so around the 300s and
400s when the Roman Empire hijacked
Christianity and all the sudden
Christianity became the state religion
and it was very corrupted at that time
extremely corrupted what happened then
is that the church leaders and these
were corrupt leaders at that time
started saying well hey we're not
looking for a Christ to return and
establish the kingdom on the earth the
kingdom is already here
you know the Roman Empire's the kingdom
the Roman Emperor is the head of the
kingdom and that's bringing peace to the
world right and which you know so so
it's interesting
Constantine I'm sorry uh st. Augustine
Augustine originally taught that the
kingdom would be a future thousand-year
that there'd be a future thousand year
millennial rule Augustine originally
taught that but under pressure from the
Roman government he changed his teaching
and said it was all allegory so honestly
what I think our audience should think
about is it was the Roman government and
the Roman emperors who hijacked
Christianity and this is around the 300s
and so that's why today so many
preachers think it's all allegory okay
thank you for your feedback and for your
insights gentlemen we are running at a
time so we need to bring this
conversation to an end
for now what I would like to ask you
though as we as we wind down here is is
there a thought or an idea or a concept
that you would like our audience to take
away from the conversation that we've
had today mr. CISO can I come to you
first
sure I'll just make it brief and just
say that you know many scriptures tell
us that there's a future reign or rule
of Jesus Christ on the earth we've
touched on some of those today
revelation 11:15 is another one that
people could could look up
and my question I guess I'll circle back
to the the parable of the talents and
the cities that Jesus Christ gave
himself in Luke 19 in Luke 19 verses 17
18 19 my question and my concluding
thought would be the Bible says that
this is going to happen that Christ will
return and establish his government
based on God's laws a time of peace and
and and and and blessings on the earth
and Christ said in Luke 19 that the
resurrected Saints those who follow him
who believe what he said the resurrected
Saints would be used in in leadership
positions to to rule and to serve and to
reign and to teach in that coming
Kingdom a my concluding question is do
you believe it and and is that what your
church teaches because that's that's
core to the gospel of the kingdom of God
that's what Jesus Christ Himself taught
and it's exciting and it's the truth
okay mystery field well basically just
to summarize some of the things we've
said the Bible itself describes the
kingdom of God as a physical Kingdom a
physical thing with Christ ruling from
Jerusalem he grows to fill the whole
earth and the first century church
agreed with that that's what they
thought and I don't think that's
particularly controversial that that's
what the early church believed but
Orthodox Christianity today usually
describes it as an abstraction because
they don't believe in the actual
physical Kingdom maybe Jesus is ruling
in their lives maybe now maybe in the
future perhaps up in heaven they usually
reject the kingdom of God is some sort
of allegory they don't believe the
gospel of first century we as a question
what if they're wrong what if they're
wrong and there actually is a kingdom of
God on earth and that is the good news
of the kingdom of God as it was taught
by Jesus Christ and promised by by the
apostles and of course the prophets as
well don't go to another gospel we're
trying to teach them the gospel of the
first century and my question is as mr.
Susilo
said which gospel do you believe
gentlemen thank you for being here today
mr. Cecile go thank you for joining us
from Raleigh it's good to see you again
thank you I miss having you around here
in Charlotte mr. Wakefield thank you so
much for being here today and for your
time well I hope you've enjoyed our
conversation today I'm guessing you
might have found it a bit stimulating
you know the kingdom of God is a
powerful biblical concept as you know
and as we've been talking about and it's
one that many calling themselves
Christians value greatly it's also a
concept many misunderstand yes Jesus
Christ is absolutely the king of this
kingdom but his kingdom is far more than
an idea that exists in the hearts of
those who give their hearts to him God's
kingdom certainly does exist at God's
throne in heaven at this time but his
kingdom in government will expand to
literally be governed from his throne on
the earth one day in Christ will sit on
that throne and it will reign over the
earth and the peoples of the earth as
we've discussed today God's kingdom is
real and it will be everlasting it will
be under girded as we've talked about by
the ten commandments which bring
unprecedented peace and prosperity to
all for more insight into the topic of
the kingdom of God we do invite you to
visit our website at tomorrowsworld.org
and in fact instead of giving you
literature today what we'd encourage you
to do is go to tomorrowsworld.org type
in the phrase kingdom of God and you
might be surprised at the number of
articles and videos you find there's
lots of information on this topic for
you again don't believe what we say but
use your Bible to prove what we say or
to try and disprove what we say the
kingdom of God is real and it is coming
and you can be a part of it that's the
exciting truth for more biblical
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